Unethical Relatives
My father was ‘encouraged’ to leave the family
farm he grew up on ( and managed for 30 years)
in a dispute with some of the less kind members
of his family.
Unfortunately the family farm has degenerated into
a whole bunch of squabbling relatives, and no one
is willing to run the farm.
So the day I was driving home from my Dad’s memorial service,
2 Cattle Liners were at the farm, loading up ALL of the Jones
farm cows ( and calves) for sale at an Auction house in Kamloops.
The MOST disturbing part of this story is that most
of these cows have young calves, YET the Auction
house separated the cows and calves, selling them
individually- this way they get MORE mo*ney.
Here is specific information on Cattle Welfare:
Cattle are highly social animals.
Therefore it is inevitable that the properties of their social environment will have some effect on their state of welfare. A key decision in raising young cattle, particularly dairy and veal animals is whether to house them singly or in groups.
Depriving veal calves of social contact makes them more reactive to startling stimuli and more prone to develop self-directed oral behaviours (Veissier et al., 1997).
Individually reared calves are more fearful of novel situations than group housed animals (Jensen et al., 1997).
In general it should not be acceptable to allow farm animals to exist in a state where they are excessively fearful of their caregivers and changes in their environment.
Fearfulness affects welfare by increasing stress responses and the risk of injury (Boissy and Bouissou, 1995).
Cattle do form social relationships of a sort with humans. Cattle apparently learn to recognize individual humans and modify their responses to them based on the pleasantness or aversiveness of previous encounters with a particular individual (de Passillé et al., 1996).
I am upset for 2 reasons:
1. My father would NEVER allow this- he would at least keep the cows and calves to the Fall, when the calves would have been much older.
2. The ETHICS of the Cattle Industry- How in the
name is this legal?
Feel free to leave a comment..
Best Wishes
Dr Andrew Jones
some people value nothing but money.
I feel just like you. Is so unfair for the calves to separated from their mothers..Who knows what is going to happen to them..
I am so sorry you have to deal with this situation, especially so soon after losing your beloved Dad. The same sort of thing happened in my husbands family with the farm his Mother grew up on in Missouri. Greed rears it’s ugly head again. Unfortunately, the farm animals are the ones who will suffer.
You have my deepest condolences on the loss of your Dad. Keep up the good work and most importantly, keep the faith!
That is so sad that greed gets in the way of what is good for the animals. Most people just don’t care about the well being of the animals. They are just property and don’t care about what happens to the animal. The human race is for the most part are very mean and uncaring people. I am totally against the killing of these poor animals to feed mean, greedy people.
Dear Dr Jones
Unethical relatives is right. However, in my view, the entire cattle raising industry – particularly intensive corporate farming – is cruel and unethical.
Food and ethics writer Michael Pollan writes about “ethical farming” whereby the animals are treated with dignity and respect. Where free range chickens, for example, are allowed to express their “chicken-ness”. Where cows are slaughtered “humanely”.
Surely there should be regulations against separating calves from their mothers. But I would go even further and argue that cows and calves should not be raised for slaughter in the first place. The environmental consequences in terms of resource consumption – water and land – as well as the effect of methane on climate change present reason enough.
But the unspeakable cruelty to which these creatures are subjected make us less worthy human beings. It begs the question of whether one can use the words “slaughter” and “humanely” in the same sentence.
I agree with you, a calve should not be taken away from its mother to soon. The cattle industry needs to rethink this issue. Maybe you are the one that can help this along.
Hello, Doc.
Sadly, I agree with youi on both counts. I saw the same thing when my Grandfather passed away. My Dad refused to get involved and I was very proud him.
Regarding the cattle. It is sad to see what is done to the animals, all for greed. I wish we could go back to the days of the small family farms.
We now have the Military-industrial complex and the Argriculture-industrial complex.
Unfortunately stockholder profits drive them–not compassion and reason.
This was an unbelievably cruel thing to do to these animals.
Who were these relatives? Siblings? Aunts/Uncles?Cousins? It seems this was done unilaterally as opposed to consensually. As a member of the Jones family, didn’t ‘you’ have a say in this matter?????? You are the animal expert after all.
Again – my thoughts r with u & your immediate family. I hate to hear of stuff like that when loved when pass… people always seem to get so greedy when one dies. I have experienced that in my own family. It is not a pretty picture. I guess that is why it is always important to have a will.?
That being said…. I feel for the poor cattle who were caught in the middle of all this mess between the humans. It’s always the ones who cannot speak who suffer. As Mahatama Gandhi once said ” I hold that the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.”
When it comes to estates of loved ones passing on, I see this over and over again, and it is truely sad. Some family members are just out for money with little care for anything ‘ethical’. Some intersting words from a family friend relative to this sort of inconsiderate greed at grieving times.. he shook his head slowly and simply said .. “..money’s funny..” These two simple words spoke volumes I thought.
I feel so sorry for the Mama cows and their babies..
Yes, there ought to be laws against this sort of thing..
Again, I send my sympathies to you Dr. Jones.. Hugs
Another example of greedy cretins! Hopefully you will be around to witness the Bad Karma the people responsible for such heinous action will reap. It’s so sad to witness such stupidity.
Isn’t it amazing how true colours surface one the colour of money is visible? And what a disgrace to humanity some people are.
I have seen similar situations many times over the years. You soon learn who the people are that you can trust.
Buddhist wisdom says “beware of attachments” and “everything in life is temporary, everything is transient”.
Small comfort when helpless animals are involved though.
Hopefully karma will take it’s course on those callous people!
There are many greedy un-evolved humans on this earth. Some aren’t fit to be in the presence of animals.
That is a sad note on your dad’s memorial day. Why don’t these people understand that animals DO have a sense of ‘I’ and calves have a connection to their moms as humans do.
Hello Dr Jones…
the events surrounding the relative story is quite disturbing on so many ethical and moral levels. Painful to read it.. I am very sorry …
I have always “judged” what kind of person is by the way the treat animals and the compassion thye may have towrds those that have no voice..
I stongly belive in karma -cruelty to any sentient being is never w/o some form of universal reprocussions.
My heart goes out to you and your family( all sentient being that is)…
“We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.” ~Immanuel Kant
Marina
First, I am so sorry about the death of your father. I know that you must miss him dearly. How sad that you must now deal with family members who have such a lack of compassion, not only for you and your father, but for the animals your father loved and cared for. I grew up on a cattle farm here in Alabama, and I can’t imagine anyone who knows or cares anything about cows (or any animal) doing such a cruel and frankly, stupid, thing as to separate young calves from their mothers. You have my sympathy for your loss and for having to deal with thoughtless relatives.
I agree with you 100% Dr. Jones!!!! As a passionate animal lover both wild and domestic I am continually appalled and disgusted with so-called “humans” who do NOT recognize nor care about the needs both common sense and otherwise for “food” animals to be treated humanely both during their short, pitiful lives and when they are to be slaughtered (which is the strongest word you can use when they kill these animals in the most hideous ways imaginable)!!!!!!!!!! Last night I saw on public television a documentary about the genocide of human beings in different parts of the world such as Africa because of being from different tribes, Turkey to get rid of the Armenians, Europe during WWII to exterminate the Jewish people, gypsies, handicapped people and anyone else who tried to help and hide the Jewish people from being murdered amongst just a few of the horrendous atrocities done by one “human” to another innocent human being including, of course, women and children of all ages!!!!!!!!!! If there is such hatred to exterminate other people just because they are different than “humans” that raise animals for food simply look at them as MONEY and not as living, sentient beings who experience pain, suffering, deprivation, helplessness, loneliness, and a painful death at the hands of these people who couldn’t care less HOW THESE ANIMALS ACTUALLY LIVE THEIR LIVES!!!! I wish I was not living at a time of EXTREME BRUTALITY, SELFISHNESS, LOSS OF CONSCIENCE AND NO COMMON SENSE, ETC.!!!!!!!!!! Humans always warred and killed others for property and money and animals were eaten by us but at a much less degree of BRUTALITY!!!
While I am not much of a meat consumer myself, my animals certainly are. I cook for my animals regularly and will only buy grass fed, naturally raised organically farmed meat. (Many people think I am crazy but my animals are family and I treat them as such). I hope and like to think that there is an ethical component to naturally raised organic meat. One of my favourite quotes that speaks directly to this is from Temple Grandin, “Nature is cruel but we don’t have to be.” Unfortunately, when $$$ enter the equation, it sometimes overrides the ethics. Consumers have the power to implement change as stated by one of the Alberta cattle producers in the documentary “Beef Inc.” He indicated that consumers want to buy cheap meat and until the consumers tell him otherwise, he will continue to produce cheap meat.
I know, I know. I will never understand the whole profit over humane/community/etc. Andrew, it sounds like you inherited your dads lines of compassion. It’s a big freaking job because unlike those who don’t care or feel, we carers and feelers have to work hard to get over the shock(s), and then we want to do something about it — like you are, which is more hauling and sharing and it’s down straight emotional.
I am proud to know there are people like you out there and we are all slowly managing to come together in our communities to make a difference, even if it seems slow. Have a lovely day.
I don’t understand it either. I don’t even want to get started on how people act when a loved one passes. If there is money to be had or be split you tend to see the worst behavior in people. As for the cattle industry, the bottom line is all that matters. Humanely treating our “food source” is just not a financial feasibility. But we can alert others and make it a feasibility with our consumer dollars wisely spent. We have so far to go in our journeys with animals. I am afraid it may be a job left for our children. You’ll be in our prayers.
Disturbing to say the least! I am such an animal lover, this is appalling. How about the Humane Society? Would something like this be of interest to them? I pray God provides the healing needed in this difficult time for you and your family.
I would think most people who know the dairy industry would be aware not to separate the mom’s and babies for a particular length of time, for the health of the young ones. It sounds crazy that decisions like that are made by people who know better. The mental, and ultimately physical health of both the parent and young are at stake. It’s sad enough when decisions are made based on lack of knowledge, but it sounds as if this decision was made by people who know the business, and therefore should know how their actions would cause animals increased stress.
I am so sorry that you are have had this extra burden placed upon you so soon after your Father’s passing. This should be a time for grieving the loss of your Dad. Thank God your Father did not have to witness this and this may actually end up being a good thing for you; it may cleanse your life from these toxic people and hopefully they may not have to be a part of your life in the very near future. When they get your blood boiling close you eyes and go to a special memory of Dad……………..
When the motive in any industry is money, the health and welfare of especially animals (cattle)get put to the wayside. There should be agriculture/farming laws that regulate ethical treatment of farms animals especially after the farmer/owner has passed. Is there any way, Dr. Jones that you and your brothers can have any say in regulating how your father’s farm animals are treated since you are direct kin?
First of all, I want to sent my sincere condolences to you and your family in the loss of your father. With all you have to endure at this moment, you also have to contend with family members who have no mortal compass. Money is the root of all evil and the distruction of this world. There is no more compassion for life and what our Creator has given us. No respect for our animals, children, family and people in general. I pray that the Lord will lift us up and open our eyes before it is too late.
This is very disturbing! But sadly, it is a direct reflection on the way our society is heading. Selfishness and greed seem to be growing much more rapidly than care and compassion. Sorry to hear about this.
I was sorry to hear about your dad. I am sure you were very close and now have a void in your heart. At least he isn’t in pain. Very sad about the farm. I am sure your dad would be very upset about the whole thing. People are interested in the money factor and not what is best for the animals and the place. This is the hard part of getting older. Glad your dad didn’t know about that. May the Lord watch over you and yours.
Andy and Michael, your pain is understandable, and I ask God to turn it to joy, in Jesus’ Name.
We humans are so sure we are in control of everything, when it is God that works in us to will and to do His good pleasure. Jesus is still Lord, even in the middle of messes He works good, and He will work good in this one. May His peace and goodness flood your lives and those of your squabbling relatives, today and always. May He protect you all, and all the cattle, and give you all wonderful happy lives and heal your relationships and give you peace.
It is not unusual for there to be a feeding frenzy when someone dies, the sense of “entitlement” can be strong and is not comfortable for others. As the years mellow the experience, and they will, you will gain perspective. I’m just glad you did not do abusive things to others, you have kept your hearts and minds in God’s peace. May He turn your sorrow to joy, today and always, enjoying the gifts your dad did pass on to you that no one can take away–remember those and forget the rest. I am laying my hands on this comment for your healing (would take really long arms to reach to Canada, but Jesus is right there with you). You are some of my favorite friends and always will be. Look to God, the author and finisher of your faith, and run the good race, with love and kindness, as you already do. Jesus is coming soon!
love–
Pastor Mom
Pennie, Rascal and Tribble
once again i am sorry about your dad; also sad to hear about what has happened at the farm. as an animal lover to me this is horrifying. they should not be allowed to do this. and a lot of nerve they had to do this on the day of your father’s memorial. you have my deepest sympathy.
I am so sorry that in these difficult times you had to face what was going on at your family farm. Unfortunately one cannot choose one’s relatives as one can do with friends.
I wish you all the best, Dr. Jones, and every success in your endeavours.
It is good to know that that are people like you who are doing great work to raise awareness of our fellow creatures who are more like us than we had ever imagined, and who deserve our respect, consideration and love.
‘When man has pity
on all living creatures
then only is he noble.’
–Buddha-
Dear Dr. Jones, I would only repeat what has been said, it is so sad that you had to witness that kind of trama so soon after your father’s service knowing he would not approve and yet unable to do anything about it It would be very difficult for any animal lover to deal with in a good time.
I’m curious if the blonde kid on the left in the family photo is you. It looks like you are holding a cat or a dog.
It must have been very difficult for all of your family (especially your dad) to leave the life he had always known. Especially if the farm management did not go well afterwards.
You have my sympathy. Thank you for being willing to share some of your personal life. You are loved and appreciated by many people.
God bless you.
Dear Dr. Jones:
I am so sorry to hear about your father’s passing. He did not suffer long and that is a good thing. You have been an “active” provider for the health of my dog, Abigail who has bladder cancer and was not expected to live for six months. That was almost two years now and the tumor has begun to shrink. I recommend your supplement to every pet owner I know. I will pray for your family for closure and healing. Certainly your latest email about the farm animals does little to console the healing process. Totally unscrupulous and degrading to the dignity of the hard work of your father. I will keep you in my prayers and offer a Rosary to the Blessed Mother to help you and your family through this ordeal.
Judi & Abigail
Dr. Jones, So sorry to hear that you have to deal with greedy relatives. They sound like my husband’s siblings. The pictures of the farm were beautiful. I can’t imagine anyone not wanting to stay there and keep it going instead of selling it off. I’m not an animal rights person, but I don’t believe in being cruel to animals.I guess it shows what kind of people they are inside and I’m not just talking about your family. Forget them, their not worth your time. God bless you and yours. Linda
Regarding the cattle. It is sad to see what is done to the animals, all for greed. I wish we could go back to the days of the small family farms. I have owned cattle and was always dismayed when it came time to sell them. It almost made me want to become a vegetarian. Cattle do recognize you and can become almost like our dogs. We had one calf that actually tried to come into the trailer with my son. How can people treat them as nothing.
How awful for you to have to deal with these unethical, greedy relatives at such a difficult time.
I hope you print out all the comments left here and give each of these relatives a copy! Perhaps it may prick their conscience…we can only hope!
My condolences to you – and thank you for sharing this.
Dr. Jones,
It always angers me when hear about greedy relatives, mistreating other people, or blind disregard for our four legged friends. I am sorry that you and your family have to go through this….and of course the animals (who have feelings too, even though some people think not).
One of the things our parents taught us was the miracle of every living breathing being….and our responsibilities towards them.
The ‘real’ person comes out when a family member dies. If there is no compassion, there is no heart or soul.
I know you make a difference in the lives our our animal friends every day….for that I thank you.
Take care…the best to you and yours,
lisa
Hey Doc. In the end and when this is all over,what only matters is that YOU “Did the right thing by your Dad”. STAND YOUR GROUND!! Do the best you can to do things the way your “Dad” wanted it done. You will sleep better for it and it gives you good Karma in return. Don`t forget who you are, and remember that some things have to happen. That is how Karma works. What you put out is what you will get back. Good and Bad. Let us know how it goes.
Dan,Christy,Tater,Toby,Max McLovin
Firstly so sorry this on top of allthe other pain and upset. I agree with other comments, it was cruel and uncaring but when it comes to farm animals that is so often the case. I only hope the day the animals “fight back” people like that will be the first ones that get targeted.The inhumane way we treat all our wonderful creatures is often absolutely intolerable and yet still the animals keep on smiling or wagging – how giving they are and how guilty many of us should feel.
Stay strong and acknowledge you are one of the good guys and making a difference for which we all thank you.
Chrissie Mason (UK)
That’s just terrible!!! Some people believe animals have no feelings at all. I hope the relatives “enjoy” their ill-gotten gains!!! Just because an animal is raised for food is no reason to treat them like an inanimate object with no feelings whatsoever. Your dad is probably rolling over in his grave. I can just hear the babies and their mama’s screaming to each other.
So sorry to hear of the passing of your Dad. Your writing of him reflects the love you had and will always have for him. This past January my Mama died. Her favorite sister died the month before and her favorite sister in law died just before that. Then one month to the day my Mama died her brother was killed falling a tree which fell on him. He was trying to save money at 68 years old by heating with wood. As for these cattle, my uncle was also a dairy farmer. His will left the cattle to one son, and he will do what is right. His other sons get other things, including some land. People need to consider doing this. Anyone reading this, remember life is fatal and we are not given a warning or expiration date. Please make arrangments for all our worldly things incuding our pets, cattle, horses and material things. Being a Realtor, I am called to estates often where everyone wants to sell Mama or Dad’s things except one person and it causes friction in the families. Please do this now. Tomorrow is promised to no one. My condolences to you and your family and to the cows and their calves.
I am very saddened to hear and see that you have to deal with such an ugly situation so soon after your father’s passing. It is nothing but pure greed. Just know that whomever is responsible for this, that they will receive their just reward. What goes around, comes around. It is in God’s hands. Prayer is powerful when you are in a “helpless” situation. Don’t allow the devil to steal your peace. Those who are responsible for this evil greedy act will be repaid in full.
Keep up the good work in doing what YOU can do. Leave the rest to God. He will take care of it for you. Trust Him.
Sincerely,
Tanya
How sad to see that happen to your childhood home, and the mothers and babies. For anyone willing to step up to the next level of animal welfare, science, and compassion, check out PCRM – Physician’s Committee for Responsible Medicine at http://www.pcrm.org – Hippocrates, the Greek physician, is best known for his quote, “First, do no harm”. He wrote: “The soul is the same in all living creatures, although the body of each is different.” What a better world we could all live in, if we could simply live to that standard.
Firstly, Dr. Jones, I would like to offer my condolences for the loss of your father. It has been a very sad time for you, and now you have to deal with relatives that are uncaring of your father’s wishes, as well as the welfare of the animals that he so kindly tended.
Unfortunately, greed seems to be the norm in many families. I know that it is even in my own. If it is any comfort to you, rest assured that your father is very proud of you for wanting what he would have wanted. I know that he would want what was best for his farm and his animals, and know that the money is more important to those who have ignored is wants as foremost.
I love all animals, and cruelty, no matter what form it comes in, and it does not go “unrewarded”. You, of all people, should not have to be dealing with grief and intolerable family members at the same time. Over the course of the last few years you have contributed so much to the well being of our beloved pets, and let me thank you for every bit of advice you have offered us. Our entire family thanks you for your selflessness.
I am sorry for your loss, and for what has happened to your father’s wishes for his farm and his animals.
Sincerely,
Cynthia Andrade
First, I’m sorry to hear of your father’s passing. Second, the methods used to raise animals for meat is animal cruelty, at the least. Re your greedy relatives, when my step-father passed, my two sisters and a nephew did all they could to have our mother change her will to leave out the three other siblings. She didn’t, but it hurt to realize how greedy those three relatives were. It happens all the time.
hi i am so sorry you have been put through this at a sad time with nothing else but greed its all about money I feel sorry for the animals being seperated from there mums. but God be with you## he will take care of the rest. [greedy]
I’m so sorry to read this Dr Jones. Sadly, greed rearing its ugly head, even in times of family grief, is nothing new.
Neither is how animals are still perceived today by the majority of our western culture, as nothing more than possessions and/or a money-making opportunity and therefore they are free to be dealt with by us with little to no regard for
THE ANIMALS’ needs and proper requirements for life. Separating a calf from its mother too early is cruelty plain and simple, regardless of the reason. I may not be a vegetarian but I’ve
never understood nor accepted that cruelty need play any part in the raising of the animals we eat. We have the brains to do far better by animals, yet, we choose not to and why is that?
Because it’s cheaper not to that’s why. Money reigns supreme.
I pray every day that this unacceptable attitude towards animals of all kinds, will change.
What an appalling way to treat animals, it must have been very upsetting for you. We used to have a small animal zoo near my home, and in the entrance was a large mirror. Above this was written “You are now looking at the most cruel animal on earth”. Enough said.
Hi Dr.Jones
Sorry to hear about your dad and am in total agreement with your response to the unethical relatives. I am unfortunately having the same kind of relatives to deal with. They have no concept of the animals feelings, and yes, cows do have feelings.
So many times I hear of famly distress related to possessions after the death of a family member. This time to hear the actions of cognitively impaired people(which I believe they must be)are harming animals has me outraged as well. Now the damage control must be for yourself to recover from such an error on the part of your family.
Some people who try to deal with the loss of someone believe they need to quickly act on putting closure on EVERYTHING associated with that person. IF they had sought counsel and were OPEN to hearing possible sound solutions, you would not be having to feel this extra pain.
They did NOT do this. Now for you and the loved animals I am truly saddened. I hope you will continue to do all that you can in your animal care career as a way to cope with things that are beyond your control.
Blessings to you
This is so sad. Any animal that gives it’s life for food should be treated humanely. Ideally we shouldn’t eat meat and the industry would die out but till that happens why can’t people have a bit of compassion? Who wants to eat food associated with the sadness of a lost baby? I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this. It’s a cruel world. People suck.
I’ve seen this happen many of times. It’s noting but greed. I know you are angry but it will pass and just believe what they have done will come back to them, it always does. It’s not when you want it, believe me God will see to it. I know this to be true. This has happen to me many of times and they got what they deserved in do time.
The same thing happen to me when my father died and the stepmother was greedy I didn’t even get a thing even though it was in the will. Yes I was angry but she got what was coming to her. Like the Bible states (money is the root of all evil)
Sharon
Unethical relatives. My my, they do seem to come out of the woodwork. Every family has them, you are not alone. These relatives are greedy and uncaring about the welfare and treatment of animals, let alone their loss of respect for the deceased. They should’ve held a “family getogether” to discuss the family farm, animals, etc and got all the information necessary to deal with these matters. Hope all works out for you.
Heart breaking to say the least. There should be strickter laws for humane treatment of animals. The only consolaton we have is to know they will one day have to answer to their Maker.
How sad that this is another story of family greed. It is heard so often in todays world. I guess my Sister and I were fortunate enough to know that every cent that my Mother and Father had went to quality care until the day they passed away. We have no guilt.
Dr.Jones
My deepest sympathy goes out to you and your family.
I fully know what you are going through. We had the same thing happen in my family when my Mom passed away.
I was raised on a farm as well and we had cows and left the calves run with their mothers until fall and than separated them. Take Care.
Have been to Lilloet,it is a very pretty place.
I’m sorry for the loss of your father and for what the animals are going through. Even sadder is that it appears that no one was willing to stand up to the greedy relatives or talk to a lawyer to stop or delay selling the cattle off. It also shows what your relatives really thought of your father, what a way to remember him by.
A death in the family makes greed and nastiness rear its ugly head but as the saying goes, you can pick your friends but you can’t pick your relatives! You are lucky if they choose to avoid you. However that appears to be a beautiful family farm and a shame you lose it.
The more I see of humans, the more I love my rescue minpins (and all dogs)!
Keep your faith…the idiots will fall away and you will be rid of them!
This is so sad, and unfortunately, all too common. My husband recently died, and what was a tenuous-but-polite relationship among his children and grandchildren almost immediately degenerated into a breach that I fear will not mend soon.
My husband would be so upset to learn that things and projects he devoted his life to meant so little and were so “mistreated” by his family. Fortunately, I am here to care for his beloved cats! I’ve provided for them in my will – I am NOT depending on my descendants to care for them or place them in caring hands.
To others, cattle are just cattle. I really enjoyed, and learned from, your information about cattle, and how this “material” treatment can affect them.
Hang in there!
When I was a child, I learned that in order to get veal, baby calves were taken from their mothers and put inside cramped boxes so that they could not move around and therefore the meat would remain tender. I did not eat veal after learning that. (I became a vegetarian, but I realize that’s not the solution to this and other problems with the meat industry.)
A butcher told me recently that not only do they do the above, but they break the calves legs.
Until people start realizing that the animals they eat are SENTIENT BEINGS, not POSSESSIONS, this will persist.
I have been going to an organic butcher for years for meat for my husband, son and dogs. I remind myself that there’s more at stake than just getting a cheap price on meat.
Dr Andrews, I am so sorry for your loss. Your father was a very gentle and kind man. You follow in his footsteps.
Mankind can be all too cruel. We need to reach out to all, as you do, for ideas, support and help. We need to educate and teach compassion.
Thank you for letting everyone know what is going on.
I will always sadden but maybe this knowledge will bring outcrys from all the corners of the earth and stop these kinds of cruelties.
All the animals need our help!
We must be their voice!
We must take care of them!!
There is no ethics in flesh/cows milk based agriculture. Whether they spend their short lives in “factory” farms or bonding in idyllic farms, the road to the slaughterhouse ends the same way, with the cows/calves betrayed and murdered.
I’m so sorry to hear about your father. I know losing a parent is so hard – even when you know they are probably better off and not suffering anymore – it’s still an extremely hard time to go thru.
as for the cattle! first – can’t believe they actually did this when you are just returning home from his funeral! greed surely makes some into unbelievable people~
my prayers go out to you & your family
I just don’t understand what is happening to people. Every day I sign petitions to various countries where inhumanity prevails to help people and suffering animals. I make donations as often as I can. But the pain and suffering just goes on and on until I want to scream. When I read about your family, I just wanted to knock their heads together. Enough is enough people. If we all treated animals and each other the way we would like to be treated, it would be a much better world to live in.
I was so sorry to hear of your squabbling relatives, who are showing their worst sides. What a karma they are creating for themselves. There’s something about the post-funeral greed that is just so strange. At any rate, those cattle know how YOU feel about the situation, even at a distance. We can only work on our corners of the world, doing the best we can. Thanks so much for all you do and teach!
Firstly-I’m so sorry for your loss and to the rest of your family as well. You can’t pick your relatives. I hate hearing things like this[ I’m still having nightmares from your video that you send out on the horrors of veal]How can some humans behave so badly, they are worse than animals, animals only take what they need, humans take whatever they want to use and abuse without compassion or a conscience.I like animals better than a lot of people I encounter.
It’s very sad situation that the society of cruelty is putting you through.Very difficult time for you Dr.Jones,a heartache, I can imagine what a sad and emotional moment you are going through, I pray the Almighty Allah to grant you strength to stand this difficult period, and we who care for the welfare of animals are with you.
I know just how you feel. I am an animal activist and, until 2 years ago, we had four dogs. We adore our animals and I sign every petition that I can to stop the inhumane treatment of animals.
What you wrote is, of course, terribly heart-breaking and being that it was your father’s farm and he would have been against this, doubles your pain. Actually, on the Richter scale, it’s probably 4 times that.
I used to have a society for rescuing abandoned (human)babies in Romania and survived 10 years of that and during that time, I heard and saw some awful treatment of newborn babies. So I can feel the pain you feel. Even cows have more compassion than some human mothers.
How did I deal with it? I have faith in a God that has to allow free will and that there is coming a beautiful morning where it will all be straightened out and the agony will be turned into a joy we can barely imagine.
There is a prophecy mentioned two times in the book of Isaiah that says a thousand year period of peace will come to earth and that, “Nothing shall hurt nor destroy in all My Holy mountain.” Isaiah 11:9 and Isaiah 65:25.
I have deeply studied these prophecies as I can be quite skeptical, but I’ve come to the firm conclusion that there IS justice and although so much evil exists right now, there IS going to be a day when this mess is going to be rectified.
One thing that working with abandoned babies taught me, was that I appreciated so much more the parents I saw who kept and loved their children and thank God, they are in the majority.
You are doing a great job and have been helping us all. Thank you. Don’t let them get you down.
i’m upset too now.
if all you can do about this is pray, please do.
This breaks my heart. I don’t try to force my beliefs on others, (I’m vegetarian and believe we are not supposed to eat animals at all) but separating any animal from its young is just cruel and wrong!
I am so sorry for your loss and for the calves.
Everything I would have said has already been said. Suffice it to say that after your article on calves, I vowed that I would never eat veal again. I almost bought veal chews for my pup the other day on the recommendation of a friend, and when I realized what they were – I put them back. My pup will never eat veal either.
The longer I live, the more I realize that there seems to be a disfunctional arm in every family. Life is much too short for the kind of unkindness and squabbling that you are experiencing. All we can do is live our lives with love and integrity and hope that others follow our lead and do the same.
We must be an example to those who don’t know how to behave. You are doing this in spades! Thanks for all that you do, Andrew!
That’s horrible, the poor babies, I will never understand this world
OHH Yeee …
Money, money, money ….. same day this world will be finish becouse of it !!!!
I am truly sorry for you Doc and for animals as well.
Greetings – hanna
Hi Andrew,
First of all – sorry about the loss of your dad. Your farm looked like a beautiful place and it is hard to have your roots ripped up like that. From my experience dealing with horses and foals, yes auctions are very stressful – especially for the young. It is really hard for the animals both mom and young to be pulled apart like that. I personally feel that veal farming should be outlawed. Donna
Unfortunately, we all have family members that are like circling vultures. I hate to say it, but I’ve actually had to go through some of this after the death of my grandmother. I refused to lower myself to their standards. Dr. Jones, stand firm, continue to speak out as you have done and let everyone know the truth. With our combined voices, we will be heard. I’m terribly sorry for your loss. We will keep you in our thoughts and prayers. Thank you for all your informative emails and data regarding our animals. Your are truly a wonderfully gifted person!
Its too bad that your dad didn’t have a will and to mention what to do with those precious little animals that’s is SOO UPSETTING i sure wouldn’t like to see my precious little animals suffer for me they’re my babies can you not get a lawyer have all your siblings get together and fight this thing i know theirs A LOT OF STRESS INVOLVED especially when you might have to go in court i hope you do have GOOD NEWS regarding your precious animals they didn’t ask to be born in this ugly earth
P.S TRY TO GET ALL YOUR SIBLINGS TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ITS WORTH IT YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM OR IN WHAT HANDS THEY’LL END UP
I am also very sad about what I have read here; however, my question is this: what can we DO to stop the cattle industry’s inhumane treatment?
Laws only get made when there is enough public outcry to politicans!
Dr Jones, it is a very unfortunate circumstance on all levels and it is very sad that you and your family have to experience this at such a sad time. Unfortunately, the family issue is one that many people have to go through after the loss of a parent or loved one. It is very sad that most families choose to squabble rather than pull together and support each other at such a difficult time.
As to the issue of the cattle, this is a common practice at auction houses. The young calves are separated from the mature animals. Not only does the auction house increase their profits, so does the seller. This all comes back to a responsible herdsman caring for his animals. As you stated your father would never have allowed this to happen because of his compassion for his livestock. He was a responsible herdsman. Unfortunately, until there is a series of tragedies nothing will be done about this practice. After all it is all about profit.
Once again, I am so sorry for your loss.
Deepest condolences for your loss. It’s so hurtful to be suffering the loss of your parent, particularly after a roller coaster ride of a year of witnessing and supporting your father’s struggle with his health challenge, and have relatives do things that add to your grief, where one would hope they would bring you peace and solace. Seen it before, will see it again, sadly human nature is what it is, and one of the ugly traits is greed.
Forgiveness helps in your healing and frees you from the toxic burden, easier said than done. Be aware of the 7 stages of grief, and anger is one of the key stages. My best wishes in this journey.
I’m sorry to hear about this – for one thing, what great timing – your dad just passed and your relatives care more about making a buck than honouring his life.
It is very sad to hear about the state of the cattle industry – I didn’t realize this happened but it doesn’t surprise me based on other things I’ve heard and seen of how the animals are cared for (or lack thereof).
Perhaps setting up some sort of foundation for awareness in your dad’s honour would be a great way to channel the anger and frustration you have into something of education and enlightenment.
I am very sorry to hear about your family, but it happens all the time. When I worked as an AHT, we did large and small animals, the same thing happened. I live in California and it has always been that the farmer takes most of the calves to auction for sale. The baby calves we had to aid were scared, some hurt,others would not eat. I really do not know how long they will suffer. A lot of the people who bought the calves did not know the first thing about caring for them.Only the people who had the extra cash called the vet
for help. I still can see the babies in my mind
but alas I fear this will keep going on, for me it has been 34 years of hearing the cries.
God Bless
Please my accept my deep sympathy and condolences for your loss. I lost my mother almost nine years ago, and I will always miss her very much. You are in my prayers. And I know you will pull through this.
These cattle industries are based on nothing more than money making and being very unscrupulous.I could imagine the ones that run these businesses do not have any concept or the slightest clue that animals need their adult parents, just like humans need their parents at that very young stage. Unfortunately, even if some did know this, they couldn’t care less. Their priority is their greed and selfishness.
Thankfully there are still good, caring people in the world, like yourself. I wish there were more people like you in the world. Animal lovers are definitely better people. As far as these cattle industries, eventually all their wrong doings will catch up with them, and they will get theirs.
Meanwhile, please take special care of yourself, and keep up the great work and accomplishments. Once again, I am sorry to hear of your loss. Best to you. Thanks for keeping everyone updated.
Dr Jones,I have heard these stories from my clients so many times that sometimes it feels hopeless. There are ways to take control reverse the unfortunate circumstances. My intuition tells me your father did not have a family trust. My guess is he may have had a will. Am I right? Wills are used to introduce an estate into probate court..designed to do that. Don’t let that happen to you. WHO wants probate? OWN NOTHING CONTROL EVERYTHING…I am compelled to help if you will contact me. I am not an attorney but would like to speak. Even a living trust is revocable and does help avoid probate, but NO tax advantages and is still subject to inheritance tax laws.
I do assist my clients with estate plans for the benefit of beneficiaries using a Irrevocable, discretionary, non grantor, complex, spendthrift trust. You can skype me at lbernal2688 if you like or email me at hayseedspassion@gmail.com …Allow your estate to pass to your heirs without probate or inheritance….manage your trust like a business for the benefit of that corpus. My sincere condolences to you and your family. My intent is not to turn my response into an advertisement but sincerely lend assistance and was not sure of another way to reach you. I am new to your newsletter an empathise with your situation. I already have more business than I can write in my 18 hour days, 7 days a week. It is you I wish to lend guidance Dr. Jones. Perhaps there might have been a more private way but…what we have to offer is unique and copyrighted…allow me to enlighten. Your home, your car, your business should all be in a trust..and done in the form of capitalization…with many tax advantages most never knew were available to them…looking forward to hearing from you. Be Blessed !!
I have just started reading two books by Temple Grandin, who is autistic and has an incredible affinity with cows. She has done wonderful work in convincing ranchers and abbatoirs to handle cattle more sympathetically using techniques to see the situation from the point of view of the cow. Fascinating! If only the guardians of these and other animals had the courage to read such books and put even some of her ideas into practice. Temple’s first book shook the medical world as no autistic person had ever spoken about how they think – in pictures. She is now doing similar ground-breaking work with animals and is also lecturing on autism.
Sorry for your loss and that you too have unethical relatives. is there any wonder why I and others prefer animals. i am vegetarian too. Also i have three adopted tigers . Margaret
this just infuriates me to no end!!!we can talk about the unethical treatment of these poor animals until we’re blue in the face but nothin will get done because we are just talking!!!do something call the media,call animal welfare anyone that will make a stink about this..we are so quick to judge other countries in how they treat their animals and we are just as bad if not worse because we should know better.and as for your greedy,mean-spirited family that your beloved father disengaged from over 30 years follow suit andrew.call w-5 they would love to get their hands on something like this and such a reputable,honest show alot of viewers would be appalled this is happening in good ole canada.all the best andrew
This is indicitive of the lack of respect both for animals and for fellow humans. I simply do all I can not to support this kind of mind set. I do not purchase products from places known to be uncaring and unethical. I try my best not to contribute to the situation. I don’t complain and do nothing because this changes nothing.
Dear Dr. Jones, I am so very sorry to hear about you losing your Father. My Mom always told me that death does strange things to families, no matter how close. After my Mom passed, my 3 siblings won’t even talk to me,even though she expressed her wishes in her will. I don’t understand families that turn mean, and people who don’t have any feelings for animals. The poor little animals hurt just like we do and suffer. My Dad raised cows and I always played with the baby cows and they are so neat. I just don’t understand seperating them from their mama’s. I guess some people just have hearts made of ice & nothing bothers them. I feel so bad because of your love for animals and your Father’s. You have beautiful memories of your Father, so you are blessed. That’s how I feel about my Mother.
Yes, this is terribly sad. The problem is that if there was no market for animals treated like this, it would stop.
We, the consumers have to become aware.
Stop buying cheap meat, read and educate yourself on which products come from farms that treat their animals in a humane way, including slaughter.
There are such farmers and we have to support them by buying their products.
Yes, it is more expensive, but the good news is, for health reasons you do not need to eat so much and can definitely cut down on meat.
Many people are vegeterians, but the majority of consumers are not which is okay if you just learn how you can help by being more aware. That´s better than just feeling sorry about the situation and then forget how shopping habits might actually be sponsering this treatment.
Consumers have immense power, so spread the word, every day in every way!
Who knows why some people are not ethical, perhaps it is simply ignorance.
I truly do understand how you are feeling about this situation. When my father passed away almost 5 years ago, my brother slowly moved in and started removing everything he considered “junk”. All the little things that reminded me of my father are gone. Did anyone consult you before taking the cattle and their babies away? These animals represented your father. This was a heartless, cruel thing for someone to do especially so soon after your father’s passing. I’m so sorry you have to go through this now, especially knowing how much you love animals and working to keep them safe and healthy. Very sad indeed.
You Dad should have made out a living will to control the need for greed syndrome operating in most families today!
Dr. Andrew,
I sadly understand the depth of emotional pain this causes. My stepmom threw out everything of my dad’s that was in site the NIGHT he died as we came home from the hospital. Even the SHOES he was wearing. He wasn’t even out of the morgue yet! That was just the start of her reign of terror on everything that was left of my father (and my mother who had died years before him).
She tossed or gave to whomEVER was there every last and precious detail of him INCLUDING his WWII medals! Everything of value she KEPT for herself, later lying about it ALL. We even have very good reason to suspect that she destroyed his handwritten will. It is repulsive to see what was valued by someone you loved being treated so irreverantly and disrespectfully.
I know with my own dad, I felt guilty that I couldn’t prevent it….I felt like it was my duty as his daughter to protect his memory(and memories). What I’ve come to realize is that the very BEST parts of our loved ones are not what is tangible, but the part of us that they influenced which lives on, appreciating and loving them.
Fortunately he no longer cares about these things, as he’s is so much better now that he is with the Lord. Proof? “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him” 1Cor2
—That being said, however it is quite painful for the loved ones still here! To see your dad’s memory, the remainder of his very essence (his beloved farm & animals) treated with such disrespect is gut-wrenching. I’m truly sorry this has happened.
Knowing how I felt about those sentimental yet inanimate objects, it must have been horrifically painful to see your dad’s animals “disposed” of.
(That’s essentially what it was-sell it off to be SURE they got the $$ ASAP) It’s sickening.
Your dad was so charming. I watched the video and slideshow several times. He had such an infectious laugh and you could tell how MUCH he LOVED his animals, his family and LIFE. He seemed to make the MOST out of absolutely everything.
I can totally understand how there is a huge gap in your lives now where he once stood. I do pray you are a believer as if you are, you can at least know that this is NOT the end. We will be reunited one day. I shall look forward to meeting him in the everafter.
Hugs and Prayers to you and your family.
Dr. Andrew,
I sadly understand the depth of emotional pain this causes. My stepmom threw out everything of my dad’s that was in site the NIGHT he died as we came home from the hospital. Even the SHOES he was wearing. He wasn’t even out of the morgue yet! That was just the start of her reign of terror on everything that was left of my father (and my mother who had died years before him).
She tossed or gave to whomEVER was there every last and precious detail of him INCLUDING his WWII medals! Everything of value she KEPT for herself, later lying about it ALL. We even have very good reason to suspect that she destroyed his handwritten will. It is repulsive to see what was valued by someone you loved being treated so irreverantly and disrespectfully.
I know with my own dad, I felt guilty that I couldn’t prevent it….I felt like it was my duty as his daughter to protect his memory(and memories). What I’ve come to realize is that the very BEST parts of our loved ones are not what is tangible, but the part of us that they influenced which lives on, appreciating and loving them.
Fortunately he no longer cares about these things, as he’s is so much better now that he is with the Lord. Proof? “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him” 1Cor2
—That being said, however it is quite painful for the loved ones still here! To see your dad’s memory, the remainder of his very essence (his beloved farm & animals) treated with such disrespect is gut-wrenching. I’m truly sorry this has happened.
Knowing how I felt about those sentimental yet inanimate objects, it must have been horrifically painful to see your dad’s animals “disposed” of.
(That’s essentially what it was-sell it off to be SURE they got the $$ ASAP) It’s sickening.
Your dad was so charming. I watched the video and slideshow several times. He had such an infectious laugh and you could tell how MUCH he LOVED his animals, his family and LIFE. He seemed to make the MOST out of absolutely everything.
I can totally understand how there is a huge gap in your lives now where he once stood. I do pray you are a believer as if you are, you can at least know that this is NOT the end. We will be reunited one day. I shall look forward to meeting him in the everafter.
Sending Hugs and Prayers to you and your family.
It is sad when vultures come down and start picking on the flesh. I do not know if your father had a will or not but it is important that individuals have them. This will allow you to say what can be done and not done and who gets what. A will, will put a stop to what happened to the farm and animals. One can still have control even after death. As far as these relatives are concerned let them reap what they have sowed.
So sorry to here of your fathers passing. In 2001 my grandmother passed, and then my father 2 mths latter. Like you, I come from a family of farmers. Also like you, my father operated the farm for 45 years. After their deaths, the remaining 12 children started fighting over selling the farm. Eight for five against(counting my mom). Suddenly most needed money(bills to pay, kids to put through college…). Turns out my one uncle bought the farm and saved it. The ones who wanted to sell were bought out, and the rest pitched in. My family is still devided and I just don’t get it. If grandmom had lived, would they be homeless? Would their kids be uneducated? I mean, this is a family that did a covered dish dinner at the farm house EVERY WEEKEND!!! I completely understand your anger and hurt. The money gets spent oftimes with nothing to show. People need to hold on to the ones they love that will love them back. I wish you the best and pray your own family can rise above the squabbling.
God families who’d have them, doesn’t matter which side of the world you are on some people are very short sighted money will go but the land (if you have it) will always be there inheritance always bring the worse out in people